{"id":112,"date":"2002-11-24T21:21:12-05:00","date_gmt":"2002-11-25T05:21:12+00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/wordpress\/?p=112"},"modified":"2005-06-21T22:55:41-04:00","modified_gmt":"2005-06-22T03:55:41+00:00","slug":"punctuation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/2002\/11\/24\/punctuation\/","title":{"rendered":"Punctuation"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class='e-content'><p>I have a question on <cite>punctuation<\/cite> (actually element nesting order) based on a <a href=\"http:\/\/weblog.delacour.net\/archives\/000766.html\">recent post by Jonathan Delacour<\/a>.  (I re-discovered his weblog through Mark Pilgrim&#8217;s cool <a href=\"http:\/\/diveintomark.org\/newdoor\/\"><cite>New Door<\/cite> tool<\/a>.)  It&#8217;s along the lines of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bartleby.com\/116\/406.html\"><cite>Fowler&#8217;s<\/cite> question<\/a> of <q>the right order as between quotation marks and stops<\/q> which is why the term <cite>punctuation<\/cite> came to mind.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>Jonathan quotes Joe Clark&#8217;s explanation of the correct use of the &lt;cite&gt;&lt;\/cite&gt; element: it&#8217;s meant to mark up titles and words and phrases, as I&#8217;ve done above with the word <cite>punctuation<\/cite> and the title <cite>New Door<\/cite>.  (Until now I&#8217;ve been in the habit of using <code>&lt;q&gt;&lt;\/q&gt;<\/code> for titles, or sometimes just <code>&lt;a&gt;&lt;\/a&gt;<\/code> if they&#8217;re links, but I&#8217;m now a believer in the One True Citing Style.)  Looking at his source, though, I see he puts the <code>&lt;cite&gt;&lt;\/cite&gt;<\/code> element around his <code>&lt;a&gt;&lt;\/a&gt;<\/code> element: <code>&lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/073571150X\/\"&gt;Building Accessible Websites&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/cite&gt;<\/code>.  Perhaps I&#8217;m in a pedantic mood from reading Ian Hickson&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/ln.hixie.ch\/?start=1037595583&amp;count=1\">Markup<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/ln.hixie.ch\/?start=1038097180&amp;count=1\">Challenge<\/a> posts, or maybe I&#8217;m just proving that none are so fervent as the recent convert (I wish wish wish I could remember where I read that line not two days ago&#8212;note to self: blog early and often), but I think <code>&lt;a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/073571150X\/\"&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Building Accessible Websites&lt;\/cite&gt;&lt;\/a&gt;<\/code> is more correct&#8212;it&#8217;s the title that is being cited, not the link to the title.<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>On a related note, should citations such as <cite>Fowler&#8217;s<\/cite> above be <code>&lt;cite&gt;Fowler's&lt;\/cite&gt;<\/code> or <code>&lt;cite&gt;Fowler&lt;\/cite&gt;'s<\/code>?  I use the former; I suspect the latter is correct, but what will a layout engine do?<\/p>\r\n\r\n<p>(Congratulations, Jonathan, you&#8217;re the random target of the day.  Feel free to disparage my weblog as necessary&#8212;there&#8217;s lots to pick on here, not least my obsession with the trivial and mundane.)<\/p><\/div><div class=\"syndication-links\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"I have a question on punctuation (actually element nesting order) based on a recent post by Jonathan Delacour. (I re-discovered his weblog through Mark Pilgrim&#8217;s cool New Door tool.) It&#8217;s along the lines of Fowler&#8217;s question of the right order as between quotation marks and stops which is why the term punctuation came to mind.&hellip;","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"mf2_syndication":[],"venue_id":0},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"kind":false,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/112"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=112"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/112\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=112"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=112"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/peterjanes.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=112"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}